No winners in a govt shutdown? You haven't met Brandon Judd

In this Jan. 3, 2019, file photo, President Donald Trump, left, listens as Brandon Judd, president of the National Border Patrol Council, talks about border security after making a surprise visit to the press briefing room of the White House in Washington. Trump and Judd share an ominous view of the southern border and a certainty that a wall along the boundary is urgently needed to stop what they’ve described as a humanitarian crisis. Judd, a 21-year veteran of the U.S. Border Patrol, has helped to validate Trump’s fiery immigration rhetoric and affirm the president’s conviction the border with Mexico is a frequently lawless place. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin, File)