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4/16/2012 9:57:00 PM
Bill allowing guns in public buildings not favored by supervisors
Scott Orr
The Daily Courier

PRESCOTT - The Yavapai County Board of Supervisors on Monday voted to send Gov. Jan Brewer a letter asking her to veto a bill now on her desk that would allow people to carry firearms in public buildings.

The bill, championed by the Arizona Citizens Defense League, would make it legal for people to bring guns into libraries, city halls, and other government buildings unless the building has metal detectors, security personnel and gun lockers.

The bill passed the state House of Representatives March 6 and the Senate on Thursday.

Board Chairman Tom Thurman, district 2, said, "This (bill) is terrible for counties, and especially this county.

"We're really upset with our elected officials down at the capitol, because this is crazy," he said.

Thurman was critical of the cost local governments would have to shoulder to keep guns out of government buildings.

"It's going to cost this county a fortune," he said.

Supervisor Carol Springer, district 1, agreed. "I am also kind of surprised by the lack of judgment exercised by our legislators," she said.

"Time is of the essence," she added, "so I would like to see us get (a letter) off today."

Brewer has five days to make a decision. She vetoed a similar bill last year.

"We specifically fixed in this bill the things that the governor didn't like," Charles Heller, a spokesman for the Arizona Citizens Defense League, told the Associated Press. "There is no reason if it gets to her desk - if she keeps to her word from last year - there's no reason she shouldn't sign it."

"I've been an NRA member all my life, but there's a limit to carrying a gun around," Thurman said.

Although there was no formal vote taken in Monday's meeting, all three supervisors expressed support for County Administrator Julie Ayers to prepare a letter asking for Brewer to veto the bill.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Article comment by: Apparntly, sarcasm escapes the mind of Garland Adams?

I guess I should have said that one intent on causing harm inside a public building need not use a gun or metal object, and therefore, measures designed only to prohibit metal objects are too narrow in focus.

Does that clear things up for Mr. Adams?

We shall see.

Stay tuned!


Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Article comment by: Garland Adams

To "Hey, Garland", what on earth are you babbling about? We're talking about guns here, simple one. Sorry you don't know the difference between firearms and "plastic shivs". Gosh, are you pathetic. Someone talks about how to handle the gun situation in a public building and you start babbling about "plastic shivs". Poor, confused fellow.

Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Article comment by: Gus Patrick

@ TOO: Why are you so afraid !!

When you justify carrying a gun as "I Carry a Gun to be LEFT ALONE!!!!!", then launch into examples of where you need a gun...then you are afraid. Afraid someone will not leave you alone. Afraid of being robbed. Afraid of being stranded "in the middle of nowhere (I corrected your spelling error) in the Arizona Desert" without the security blanket of a gun.

Fear, fear, fear!!!


Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Article comment by: Define Irony

A person who carries a gun because he "wants to be left alone..."

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: TOO: Why are you so afraid !!

I DO NOT carry a gun Because I am afraid, nor am I looking for a fight. I Carry a Gun to be LEFT ALONE!!!!! So when you get in a situation where you need the Law and help, like being robed or something in the middle of now place in the Arizona Desert, and the Cell phone doesn't work, or if your help is a hour away , Please don't come Crying to anyone!!!

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: My Gun' My Right!!!

First off, Thurman and Springer have forever lost my vote-PERIOD!!! Thurman and Springer will more than likely carry a gun where they go, who will check them for a Gun, No One!!! Second I carry a Gun where ever I go, I will not get caught in a Life or Death situation with my pants down, End of story, PERIOD!!!

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Ted's Perspective

Understandable that the Yavapai County Board of Supervisors would want people disarmed in county buildings, but itís wrong. We do not all have security available going and coming from the Court ectÖ but its also the environment where a person may need to subdue a hostile individual. Itís our right to have that ability being a citizen of this State and Country.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: @ Baby killer

I go where I want ALWAYS armed. I have been armed in , schools, courthouses,hospitals, airports, on planes trains and in automobiles. You name it. I bring my arms with me.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: bob bendiger

Typical Thurman double-talk and equivocation.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Yukon Jack

I'm voting for the first legislator that intros and gets passed a bill to drug test ALL az legislators along with a mental health check twice a month . If found unstable or they cant pass the drug test , they're fired on the spot . Now thats a law we can all benefit from !

This law was not necessary , its a joke . Nobody is trying to away yer guns, it will not make anyone safer , and just about insures a tragedy in the making ( oh by the way, did I say In$ure ? ) .They will gladly take all the money you can send em to keep the party rollin .


Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: John C Maxwell

Jeremy K- Are you sure that law passed? Better check before you head onto a campus with a gun!

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Why are you so afraid?

If you carry a gun you're afraid.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Dear Ms. Morris

I'm not sure either so I'm diversifying into lockers, security firms (and their suppliers), metal detector manufacturing and health care.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Albert Ascari

With all due respect to the Board of Supervisors in Yavapai County I donít agree that the Bill is going to cost a ďfortuneĒ. The Bill does not have a mandate to secure ALL government buildings. Granted, the Court House, City Hall, Jail House, etc. would have to be secured but Post Offices, Libraries? etc. Why? When was the last time you heard that a Library got robbed? Banks allow me to bring my gun into their buildings, they donít have metal detectors or signs disallowing guns inside some may have a guard outside but must donít and banks get robbed, in fact, about 20 banks get robbed every single day across the United States. If the Bill is signed only secure the places that are logical to secure and it would not cost a fortune.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Hey, Garland!

Plastic shivs are A-OK, though, right?

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Jay Jay

Those signs only keep honest people from carrying them leaving them defenseless. No surprise Tom objects to this measure. He has no conservative backbone to him.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Local Reps Vote Yes

What was not reported was that our district reps Andy Tobin, Karen Fann, and Steve Pierce voted for the law. Note the voting records below:

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/50leg/2r/bills/hb2729.sthird.1.asp&Session_ID=107

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/50leg/2r/bills/hb2729.hthird.1.asp&Session_ID=107

You may not get many new books at the library if they need to install the security measures.


Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Mary Morris

And the number of jobs this bill will produce is....?

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Drill Sarge

Anyone who needs to carry a gun around is afraid of something. There's no other reason to do it when you get right down to it. You're afraid. Is that why the color yellow makes you sad? You know what makes me sad: YOU DO! So let's go down to Mamby Pamby Land and get you some self confidence, you Jackwagon!

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

The Arizona Citizen's Defense League is the NRA. The NRA'a reason for existence is to collect dues and get legislation passed. That's it, and that's what they're doing here. This will cost the states and counties about $100,000 per entrance, about $30 million. Like I really care about bringing a gun to the library. There's a lot of boogeymen out there, I've soooo afraid. Honestly if you are in favor of this you need to be on some meds.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Front Sight

This is just another effort by our gun happy legislature to keep the wild west alive and allow weapons everywhere without restriction. That may have been necessary and functional 100 years ago, but now it's a recipe for disaster.

Nothing good comes from guns, EVER.


Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Garland Adams

I don't like signs that say "no guns allowed inside", as they generally just give those with bad intentions an advantage over the rest of us who heed such directives. But as long as a building has metal detectors, solid security doors and other necessarry measures to keep ALL guns out, then I guess it would be fair. But let's not dwell in a fool's paradise and think that signs alone will keep those with bad intentions from bringing guns in...while the rest of us stand there with our "hanky" in our hand if/when the shooting starts.

Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: The Rev

'Firearms in public buildings' is to safety as 'ethnic studies' is to education. The adherents claim public good with their detractors hyping dangers all while doing little to solve actual issues.


Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Sure you do

Mr. Thurman: The most common lie heard on this subject: I support the 2nd Amendment BUT....

I have a lot more respect for the anti-2nd Amendment people that are honest about it.


Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Article comment by: Jeremy K

So the 2nd amendment doesn't allow me to carry into a public building? Why is Yavapai County drawing the line there? Maybe we should repeal the law allowing us to carry on campus that passed with favor. Maybe we shouldn't allow people to carry a gun without a CCW permit maybe we should just repeal the 2nd amendment.
Wake up, we know the law abiding citizens of this country that excercise the right to carry are not the threat in a public building. Allow us to carry for peace of mind and the ability to defend ourselves when no other can.



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